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Comment by Yury Smirnov on January 23, 2017 at 11:15pm

Mind blowing facts, most likely you never thought about... http://ecominded.net/articles/breathing-like-eating.html 

Comment by Bradley Williams on November 11, 2016 at 7:14am

Cool, Thanks Kalo.  So just any old mycelium-rich forrest material.  Should have thought of that, seems so obvious now that you mention it.  If anyone is in Columbus, Ohio and wants to plant some trees and put in the bricks for an herb spiral this Saturday, let me know.

Comment by Will Fenton on November 10, 2016 at 7:15pm

How is everyone?

Been a long while!

Comment by Kalo on November 10, 2016 at 6:32pm
Brad, you can collect the fungus by going to any local forest. Turn over logs and leaves until you find the white fungus and bring it home. Some people even continue to grow it in buckets and jars!
Comment by Bradley Williams on November 8, 2016 at 7:36am

Hi Permies,

   I'm about to plant some trees this weekend and am looking into adding some mycorrhizae to the soil with the peat.  I heard that if the mycorrhizae is old then it probably is dead and not worth getting.  Any tips on how to get fresh stuff that doesn't need to be shipped from across the country (I'm in Ohio).

   Any info would be helpful, thanks so much!

Love,

Brad

Comment by Bryce Ruddock on November 19, 2015 at 8:20am

Dan is correct in that C kentukea aka C lutea and C tinctoria does not appear to form the symbiotic N fixing nodules in studies that have been done so far

. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1004309414388

Some of the sites such as PFAF and a USDA site have conflicting data on that but do not offer any corrobarative sources to show why they list it as being an N fixer.

I am not sure at this time just which species of tree form Fabaceae do form N nodules but will look into the topic further.

Comment by Daniel Halsey on November 9, 2015 at 7:56am

Hi Bryce and Steve,

With all respect for Bryce's vast and coveted knowledge,

I find conflicting information about Cladrastis+lutea,

Our plant database researcher found:

Firstly, Cladrastis lutea is just a synonym of C. kentukea instead of a separate plant (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/ild-10746?ref=tpl1)


Secondly, although PFAF lists it as a nitrogen fixer, I encountered multiple other sources that say it is not (such as: https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/18118/INHS200...
 go to page 15).  However, it still seems like an interesting/useful plant.

"While Yellowwood is known to readily resprout after being cut or injured, it is most commonly propagated from seeds rather than vegetatively from cuttings (W-1). Unlike many other legumes, Cladrastis" From:Conservation Assessment
for Yellowwood (Cladrastis kentukea (Dum.-Cours.) Rudd)

It is in our database.

NF plants are a subject I see misrepresented  in permaculture. Popular videos are espousing plants for a services they do not supply.  Like Honey Locust.

Calling some of these plant nitrogen fixers, is like calling my cat a humidifier.

Yes and no.

Dan Halsey, Natural Capital

and co-author with Bryce Ruddock of Integrated Forest Gardening.

Comment by Steve Potratz on November 8, 2015 at 10:13pm

Thanks for the follow up Bryce.  I had seen that it was a relative of the yellow wood but didn't think of that being more of a native species.   Perhaps I will plant some of both and see which performs better in my environment.  

Comment by Bryce Ruddock on November 8, 2015 at 8:29am

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Cladrastis+lutea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladrastis_kentukea

Above are two links that speak to the topic of N fixing trees that are similar to the Maackia but that are native to the eastern US. Both are for the American yellow wood trees. Both are legumes and will grow outside of their original ranges of the southern mountains. In the landscape they can perform the same functions as the Maackias but would perhaps be a better choice as they may be better adapted. I have no data on their potential for silvopasture but they are a high quality hardwood for tool and furniture trade and are used by wildlife.

Comment by Steve Potratz on November 6, 2015 at 10:58am

In my hunt for Nitrogen Fixing Trees for the Midwest I came across the Maackia Amurensis.   It seems to have everything, no real pest or disease issues, drought tolerant, adaptable to different soils.   Seems like the perfect tree I never heard of.  Anyone know of a down side?

 

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